Turkey’s New Ambassador to Vietnam Ahmet Akif Oktay: “Turkish-Vietnamese Relations Have Great Potential in Every Field”
Posted: 04/08/2011
Interview by: Assist.Prof.Dr. Esra Pakin Albayrakoğlu & Oytun Orhan, (Center for Middle Eastern Strategic Studies - ORSAM, Turkey)
Ambassador Ahmet Akif Oktay on a working visit to IAMES office in Hanoi, Vietnam
We
held an interview on Turkish-Vietnamese relations with Ahmet Akif
Oktay, who has recently been appointed as the new Turkish Ambassador to
Vietnam. Before embarking on his route to Hanoi, Oktay met with the
related institutions and agencies in Turkey in order to find out how
bilateral relations in economic, social and cultural fields could be
improved. Vietnam is a rapidly developing country, and at the same time
an aspiring candidate to assume more active roles in every realm. Oktay
underlines the fact that no political issues exist between the two
countries, and that this constitutes a major advantage for further
improvement in bilateral relations. In order to translate this true
collaborative potential into practice, contacts at every level should be
increased and that the two nations should get to know one another much
more closely. The Ambassador concludes that, one of his main priorities
as the Turkish Ambassador to Vietnam would be to contribute to this
process at the maximum level.
ORSAM: Mr. Ambassador, could we begin the interview with an overall evaluation of Turkish-Vietnamese relations?
OKTAY: I would like to state with pleasure that in
Turkish-Vietnamese relations, there is a big potential in all respects.
Our political relations have been deepening gradually at bilateral and
multilateral levels. One year of Turkey’s non-permanent membership of
the UN Security Council between 2008-2010 coincided with Vietnam’s term
on the Council. During this one-year period, we worked in harmony and
cooperation with Vietnam. As you know, we were elected for this post
through a high level of support from all geographical areas of the
world, including Vietnam. Again with the support of Vietnam, we acceded
to the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation of ASEAN (Association of
Southeast Asian Nations) last year during Vietnam’s term presidency of
that organization. Likewise, we supported Vietnam’s membership to the
Conference on Interaction and Confidence-Building Measures in Asia
(CICA). In recent years, high level political contacts between the two
countries also have gained vigor. I hope that in the coming period,
these efforts will be crowned with mutual visits at the Presidential and
Prime Ministerial levels.
There are also many things that can be accomplished in the economic
field. However, as Turkey, we have not yet fully discovered that part
of the world. I held nearly 70 meetings in the framework of preparatory
contacts for my new task. I mainly visited private sector institutions
as well as state institutions related to the economy. I was very pleased
to observe that there is a nascent interest towards Vietnam in the
private sector. However, government support and encouragement are needed
for this interest to translate into concrete results.
Although the balance of bilateral trade is working against us, the
volume of trade is gradually increasing. As of late 2010, it was around
860 million dollars. Our short-term target is to ameliorate this
imbalance as much as possible and to reach the goal of 2 billion of
dollars in terms of trade. However, I think it is possible that this
number may reach higher levels because, in the aftermath of economic
reforms, Vietnam has become a leading production center for major
Western companies. Especially after membership to the World Trade
Organization in 2007, it began to attract foreign capital in
considerable amounts. Capital inflow is currently around 10 billion
dollars per year. Nevertheless, this figure does not do justice to a
country like Vietnam with a population of nearly 90 million people and
will likely grow further in time. Vietnam has many serious advantages in
terms of high literacy and education levels, young population and low
production costs. Furthermore, it constitutes one of the biggest markets
within the ASEAN area, which is home to 600 million people, and the
purchasing power of its people is also steadily increasing. Therefore,
the investors should be fully aware of this window of opportunity. I
believe that the next 4-5 years are crucially important for the Turkish
private sector to gain proper recognition in Vietnam and to leave an
imprint in the export and investment fields. On the other hand, Vietnam,
which is rapidly developing and getting richer, has also been
increasing its own investments abroad. However, looking at the current
picture, we see only one Vietnamese company that has invested in Turkey.
As far as I know, there is also one single Turkish company currently
operating in Vietnam.
In which fields do these companies operate?
I do not have detailed information about the Vietnamese company in
Turkey. However, I was informed that the Turkish company in Vietnam is
dealing with leather processing, and that many locals are employed
there. In this connection, let me add that the total number of Turkish
citizens in Vietnam is only about 80.
What are these Turks dealing with in Vietnam? Are they students?
We have around 15 university students there. Most of them have gone
to Vietnam to learn the Vietnamese language. The total number I
mentioned also includes the staff and families of private Turkish
schools which have been operating there for a while, as well as
entrepreneurs and others who work as representatives for various Western
companies and their families. There are a few academics who work in
Vietnamese universities. I believe that the number of Turks settling in
Vietnam will increase over time. Thanks to the media, which has lately
been giving wider coverage to Vietnam, this country has begun to attract
greater attention from every segment of the Turkish society. Since last
December, Turkish Airlines has been offering four flights (on four
days) a week from Istanbul to Ho Chi Minh City, with a stopover in
Bangkok. I have recently been informed that the frequency of the flights
will be increased to seven days a week as of July 2011. In the future,
direct flights to Hanoi may also be possible, because we regard Vietnam
as a very promising country. I still do not have any information about
the annual number of Turkish tourists who visit Vietnam. However, I
understand that the interest in Vietnam peaks around such times as
bairams and extended holidays.
Does Turkey attract a great number of Vietnamese people?
According to the statistics, around 4000-5000 Vietnamese tourists
come to our country each year. The Vietnamese Ambassador in Ankara has
told me that the number of Vietnamese who choose foreign destinations
for tourism purposes is steadily rising. He also suggested that we
pursue active promotion campaigns in Vietnam in order to attract a
larger proportion of these Vietnamese tourists to our country.
It is argued that Turkish tourists to Vietnam are of high class. Is there a truth to this speculation?
The Interbank Credit Card Center has issued the record of
expenditures by Turks who went abroad for the last Bairam of Sacrifice.
There is an interesting phenomenon here. The total amount of
expenditures made in various countries is around 238 million Turkish
Liras and the highest rate of spending was observed in Vietnam with
around 6.7%, corresponding to 16 million Turkish Liras. There may be two
explanations for that: either a large number of Turks in Vietnam spent
little amounts, or a small number of Turks spent heavily. People from
related sectors told me that the second probability is more realistic.
If this is the case, we can say that wealthy Turkish citizens, in
addition to well-known destinations like the USA or Europe, have begun
to visit some other countries like Vietnam, which are less well-known in
our country but have rich natural beauties.
Another less visible point for the public eye is that Turkish
companies hire Vietnamese workers to be employed in various construction
projects in the Middle East. As you remember, we also evacuated the
Vietnamese employees during the uprising in Libya. In certain fields
like these, we have deep-running relations with Vietnam, which are off
the radar screen and not widely known by the public.
There are also many things to do in the cultural and academic
fields for the purpose of improving bilateral ties. Last summer, ORSAM
hosted a group from the Vietnamese African and Middle Eastern Studies
Institute, and this was extremely important for being the first direct
contact between think tanks. During the meeting, both sides expressed a
desire to deepen cultural cooperation on the basis of previously signed
general agreements. However, in the academic realm, relations are still
in their infancy, and therefore due steps should be taken as soon as
possible.
Which universities have signed partner agreements?
No agreement of any kind exists among Turkish and Vietnamese
universities. Those agreements that I have just mentioned are the 1997
Implementation Protocol of the Commercial, Economic and Technical
Cooperation Agreement, which laid the foundation of the Joint Economic
Commission, and the 1999 Agreement for Cultural, Scientific and
Educational Cooperation. Such framework aggreements are given flesh and
bones in time, on the basis of mutual will. In my opinion, it is time
that political and economic relations had a spillover effect in
cooperation between the respective universities and other educational
and research institutions in both countries. I have already discussed
this issue with the President of our Higher Education Council (YÖK) as
well as a number of universities and research institutions interested in
Southeast Asian studies. I was extremely pleased to see a serious
interest on their part and receive their support. I think we may begin
to see some concrete steps in this field before long.
There are exchange programs in universities. For example, many
universities send many students to Japan and South Korea. However, no
such trend exists as regards Vietnam. In your opinion, what is the
reason for that?
I believe the main reason is lack of information about one another,
which is in turn caused by insufficient human contact at the academic
level. Still, a small number of Vietnamese students attend Turkish
universities on scholarships provided by the Turkish Government. As you
know, we allocate such scholarships to many countries. The number of
scholarships may increase according to such criteria as the size of that
country’s population, their needs and requests, etc. As I mentioned
before, 15 Turkish students are currently attending higher education
programs in Vietnam.
Are these students also on scholarship?
There may be a few students on state scholarship, but I think most
of them went there by their own means or thanks to some private
scholarships.
As far as we are concerned, Vietnam is the only country in the whole region that uses the Latin Alphabet.
Yes. This situation facilitates learning that country’s language.
According to a widely-held theory, the Vietnamese, which is a
monosyllabic language, belongs to the “Mon-Khmer” branch of the
“Austro-Asiatic” family of languages. However, there are different
opinions among the linguists concerning the roots of the Vietnamese
language. Like any other language, it is natural that the Vietnamese has
been affected by other languages and cultures; but in the final
analysis, it has its own unique structure. Although it sounds quite
musical to the ear, it is not so easy to learn. In this regard, we are
fortunate to have students there being educated in the Vietnamese
language.
Can we talk about an enduring French influence on Vietnam?
There is undoubtedly some French influence. The country was
colonized by France for nearly a century. Colonization did not happen in
a sudden and wholesome fashion but proceeded incrementally. The
southernmost region was named “Cochinchina;” the middle part was called
“Annam;” while the north was known as “Tonkin.” The French impact is
more widely observed in the South. Formerly “Saigon,” Ho Chi Minh City,
named after the founder of modern Vietnam, is the very place that the
French influence is felt the most. To a lesser extent, that influence is
also observed in Hanoi, where the French built a smaller replica of the
Paris Opera House.
Is French language still in use in Vietnam?
The older generation still uses it, but the younger generation has
mostly embraced English as a consequence of globalization. In line with
this trend, the impact of American culture is also deepening. However,
Vietnam is trying to retain its own unique culture simultaneously.
Accordingly, they attach great importance to education. The literacy
rate of the people is about 95 percent.
Lastly, what would you like to say regarding Vietnam’s role in the world and the future of Turkish-Vietnamese relations?
Vietnam is a rapidly developing country, and is poised to assume
more active roles in the world in almost every field. It has survived
the long and destructive wars that it went through. It is heading for
the future with this self-confidence. With its peace-oriented foreign
policy, the country has been making important contributions to the
maintenance of stability within the ASEAN area. I believe that with its
central position in the region, and in the framework of its good
neighborly relations, it can also contribute to the resolution of some
political issues currently occupying the global agenda.
Vietnam also displays a steady progress in terms of economic
growth. It has succeeded by its own means at seriously reducing the
level of poverty. The Vietnamese people are well educated, hard working
and extremely friendly. Vietnam is increasingly included in such
groupings as “MAVINS” and “CIVETS” that are used to identify rising
countries, in a similar way to the “BRICS.” Achieving full
industrialization by 2020 has become one of the official targets of
Vietnam. Vietnam is also a living proof of the direct link between
reforms and development. In this respect, it is a good example and a
source of inspiration for developing countries.
In this general framework, there are some remarkable parallelisms
between Turkey and Vietnam concerning their targets and potentials for
the future. The fact that no political issues exist between these two
countries constitutes a major advantage for further improvement in
bilateral relations. Although relations in the fields of economy and
trade also display a favorable trend, their current level is yet well
below the true potential. As two paradises for tourism in their own
right, Turkey and Vietnam have just started to discover each other in
this realm. Likewise, there are also possibilities of cooperation in the
cultural, academic, sportive and social fields. In order to translate
this collaborative potential into practice, contacts at every level must
be increased and the two peoples should get to know each other much
more closely. One of my main priorities as the Turkish Ambassador to
Vietnam will be to try to contribute to this process at the maximum
level.
We would like to thank you for sharing your opinions with us, and wish you success in your new post.
*This interview was conducted by ORSAM Middle East Advisor
Assist.Prof.Dr. Esra Pakin Albayrakoğlu and ORSAM Middle East
Researcher Oytun Orhan in June 2011 in Ankara.
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